patriot> duh. it was a metaphor, just as the hostage-taker is not usually a government, but in this case it is the role played by israel.
you also make a very selective representation of Hezbollah's position on the matter. They also said that the war had been decided by israel and approved by the US one year earlier and that it was inevitable.
Just before you start calling that propaganda, note that this was officially confirmed by olmert right after the war.
A man who does not know the truth is just an idiot but a man who knows the truth and calls it a lie is a crook! --Bertolt Brecht
and besides, maybe most importantly, what you dont realize is that freeing Palestine is not the primary objective. the primary objective is to avoid Lebanon becoming a second Palestine. If this includes destroying israel and liberating Palestine, then that would be a good side-effect.
But fact of the matter is that since they declared the creation of israel with the objective of establishing "eretz israel" from the Nile to the Euphrates (which are the two rivers represented by the two blue lines on their flag) we have been pending as "next ones on the list".
You feel the enemy is too strong? Too scary? You want to give up? It's your right, but don't impose it on others. Maybe escape the region while it is still time, what can I say? Some people decided to fight, so they can live on their lands, in peace, watch their children grow safely, have jobs, attract investors and prosper economically... or die trying.
look at this map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greater_Israel_map.jpg and this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_Land_of_Israel.jpg
and tell me, where do you stand?
bashir, you can thank the internet connection and/or naharnet's website for not letting my comments appear right away and making me repost. but if this is as deep as your analysis can go, than please dont get me started on who looks like a retard.
patriot, you seem impermeable to the fact that israel admitted they had planned the war ahead and it was going to happen anyway, you also seem impermeable to the fact that they always attacked Lebanon, even before Hezbollah ever existed (first time they entered south Lebanon, the locals even welcomed them with rice, until they quickly realized what israeli occupation was really about, beneath the official declarations)
So blaming Hezbollah for it is just a proof that you're not thinking rationally and putting hatred and fear ahead of reason.
regarding shebaa, the UN has all the maps (that were actually drawn by the french under the mandate btw) if they wanted to stand for Lebanon's rights they would have done so long ago
bubba, may i remind you that the syrians were called in by geagea and the other enemies of Aoun to help them out and make their mafia deals together. before 2005 i took part in protests calling syria to get out, and got beaten up by the police forces of the then lebanese governement i am accused of not blindly approving.
when the lebanese people stood together and ask them to leave, they got out peacefully. for me the problem is solved because i dont think there is a threat of seeing it happen again, contrarily to israel they dont carry out mock raids on a daily basis over lebanon, they dont keep making threats of bombing us and attacking us.
now the day they try to come in again, i'll be there on the first line fighting them, and will be looking for you brave internet dudes to see if you're there, but in the mean time, they are not my enemies.
patriot, i ask you not to impose your choice of surrender, not peace, this is very different
now about the islamic republic, man, are you for real? since that speech in something like 82, even before hezbollah existed and knowing it starts with "we dont have a clear plan yet and nothing is really decied, but..." there has been not a single declaration or action towards any islamic republic!!
they repeatedly said this is not something we can wish for in Lebanon because there are so many other religions and islamic republic can only be done in a purely muslim country. they even removed it from the hezbollah charter.
let me tell you something, i am an atheist, and if anyone tried to impose on me any religion, i would, again, be on the front line fighting it.
but this thing about hezbollah and islamic republic is pure badwill and propaganda, those who keep bringing it back do it because they want to scare people and have nothing better than that to use
and ps: hezbollah existed due to israel's agression, but today nothing can make it to "cease existing", even if israel was wiped out hezbollah would still be there because they have become more than a resistance, they are a party and a key actor in the lebanese social fabric. they ARE a part of lebanon, whether you like it or not, and whether you want to keep calling them iranian or not, they ARE lebanese and are here to stay.
hi patriot.
and i back what "someone" said, backing articles with anonymous "informed sources" is as good as rumours get.
ps: slash, live happily with the druze? like in 1860? the problem is even at the time there was already some people thinking an "alliance" with the french or the british was worth killing your neighbors, see what good it did them, and learn, if you can.
I was personally mugged on a Syrian check point near chtaura in 1991!
>sorry to hear that, ask the STL maybe they'll investigate on it
The Syrians dried financially our country up untill 2005.
>yes, thanks to who? and werent they all on hariri's payroll? the guy who came here with 3Bn$ and made them 14Bn in a year, and who's responsible for taking loans at super high rates instead of accepting loans from russia at 5% certainly has nothing to do with our country's bankruptcy and dependence on saudi oily money
Their secret services ruled our rulers and our country. They were the law!
They humiliated us by their presence.
>some fought them, i know i did, i know aoun did, now they are out, dignity is restored, want to follow them to damascus for revenge? be my guest
They had always refused to have an Embassy.
>now they have one, problem solved
Raad Calls for Ceasing Cooperation with STL because it is Targeting the Resistance
19 July 2011, 17:54patriot> duh. it was a metaphor, just as the hostage-taker is not usually a government, but in this case it is the role played by israel.
you also make a very selective representation of Hezbollah's position on the matter. They also said that the war had been decided by israel and approved by the US one year earlier and that it was inevitable.
Just before you start calling that propaganda, note that this was officially confirmed by olmert right after the war.
A man who does not know the truth is just an idiot but a man who knows the truth and calls it a lie is a crook! --Bertolt Brecht
Raad Calls for Ceasing Cooperation with STL because it is Targeting the Resistance
19 July 2011, 18:12and besides, maybe most importantly, what you dont realize is that freeing Palestine is not the primary objective. the primary objective is to avoid Lebanon becoming a second Palestine. If this includes destroying israel and liberating Palestine, then that would be a good side-effect.
But fact of the matter is that since they declared the creation of israel with the objective of establishing "eretz israel" from the Nile to the Euphrates (which are the two rivers represented by the two blue lines on their flag) we have been pending as "next ones on the list".
You feel the enemy is too strong? Too scary? You want to give up? It's your right, but don't impose it on others. Maybe escape the region while it is still time, what can I say? Some people decided to fight, so they can live on their lands, in peace, watch their children grow safely, have jobs, attract investors and prosper economically... or die trying.
Raad Calls for Ceasing Cooperation with STL because it is Targeting the Resistance
19 July 2011, 18:17look at this map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greater_Israel_map.jpg
and tell me, where do you stand in that?
Raad Calls for Ceasing Cooperation with STL because it is Targeting the Resistance
19 July 2011, 18:16look at this map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greater_Israel_map.jpg and this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_Land_of_Israel.jpg
and tell me, where do you stand?
Raad Calls for Ceasing Cooperation with STL because it is Targeting the Resistance
20 July 2011, 10:51bashir, you can thank the internet connection and/or naharnet's website for not letting my comments appear right away and making me repost. but if this is as deep as your analysis can go, than please dont get me started on who looks like a retard.
patriot, you seem impermeable to the fact that israel admitted they had planned the war ahead and it was going to happen anyway, you also seem impermeable to the fact that they always attacked Lebanon, even before Hezbollah ever existed (first time they entered south Lebanon, the locals even welcomed them with rice, until they quickly realized what israeli occupation was really about, beneath the official declarations)
So blaming Hezbollah for it is just a proof that you're not thinking rationally and putting hatred and fear ahead of reason.
regarding shebaa, the UN has all the maps (that were actually drawn by the french under the mandate btw) if they wanted to stand for Lebanon's rights they would have done so long ago
Raad Calls for Ceasing Cooperation with STL because it is Targeting the Resistance
20 July 2011, 11:03bubba, may i remind you that the syrians were called in by geagea and the other enemies of Aoun to help them out and make their mafia deals together. before 2005 i took part in protests calling syria to get out, and got beaten up by the police forces of the then lebanese governement i am accused of not blindly approving.
when the lebanese people stood together and ask them to leave, they got out peacefully. for me the problem is solved because i dont think there is a threat of seeing it happen again, contrarily to israel they dont carry out mock raids on a daily basis over lebanon, they dont keep making threats of bombing us and attacking us.
now the day they try to come in again, i'll be there on the first line fighting them, and will be looking for you brave internet dudes to see if you're there, but in the mean time, they are not my enemies.
Raad Calls for Ceasing Cooperation with STL because it is Targeting the Resistance
20 July 2011, 12:02patriot, i ask you not to impose your choice of surrender, not peace, this is very different
now about the islamic republic, man, are you for real? since that speech in something like 82, even before hezbollah existed and knowing it starts with "we dont have a clear plan yet and nothing is really decied, but..." there has been not a single declaration or action towards any islamic republic!!
they repeatedly said this is not something we can wish for in Lebanon because there are so many other religions and islamic republic can only be done in a purely muslim country. they even removed it from the hezbollah charter.
let me tell you something, i am an atheist, and if anyone tried to impose on me any religion, i would, again, be on the front line fighting it.
but this thing about hezbollah and islamic republic is pure badwill and propaganda, those who keep bringing it back do it because they want to scare people and have nothing better than that to use
Raad Calls for Ceasing Cooperation with STL because it is Targeting the Resistance
20 July 2011, 12:07and ps: hezbollah existed due to israel's agression, but today nothing can make it to "cease existing", even if israel was wiped out hezbollah would still be there because they have become more than a resistance, they are a party and a key actor in the lebanese social fabric. they ARE a part of lebanon, whether you like it or not, and whether you want to keep calling them iranian or not, they ARE lebanese and are here to stay.
Report: Lassa Became a Hizbullah Military Base
20 July 2011, 13:11hi patriot.
and i back what "someone" said, backing articles with anonymous "informed sources" is as good as rumours get.
ps: slash, live happily with the druze? like in 1860? the problem is even at the time there was already some people thinking an "alliance" with the french or the british was worth killing your neighbors, see what good it did them, and learn, if you can.
Raad Calls for Ceasing Cooperation with STL because it is Targeting the Resistance
20 July 2011, 13:16I was personally mugged on a Syrian check point near chtaura in 1991!
>sorry to hear that, ask the STL maybe they'll investigate on it
The Syrians dried financially our country up untill 2005.
>yes, thanks to who? and werent they all on hariri's payroll? the guy who came here with 3Bn$ and made them 14Bn in a year, and who's responsible for taking loans at super high rates instead of accepting loans from russia at 5% certainly has nothing to do with our country's bankruptcy and dependence on saudi oily money
Their secret services ruled our rulers and our country. They were the law!
They humiliated us by their presence.
>some fought them, i know i did, i know aoun did, now they are out, dignity is restored, want to follow them to damascus for revenge? be my guest
They had always refused to have an Embassy.
>now they have one, problem solved