أوباما يتهم الروس بطريقة غير مباشرة ومجلس الامن الدولي يطلب تحقيقا دوليا حول تحطم الطائرة الماليزية

remember Palestinians hamas said " we don't deny and we don't confirm the killing"!! instead of saying we did not do it and we are against it exactly like their enemy does...now all gaza is suffering the worst ever..

lol just lol, pathetic!

Where is flamethrower's comment "today in the west we don't need proof, we accuse based on belief...gather the evidence, make your case..."

Well here's what we do know: rebels/Russians whoever they are, have been shooting down Ukrainian planes recently. To think this plane mysteriously malfunctioned and crashed is naive if not delusional. This plane was shot down, and Ukraine's military is not capable of doing that. It is the Russians who possess the missiles that can shoot down a plane cruising at 35,000 ft. Use your head

Sometimes we never will find the real "evidence" because the accused will refuse to recognise it e.g Hezbollah with the STL. You just live in your own little world where the West is behind all evil, and the "resistance" is here to rescue us from Uncle Sam and Zionism. One day you'll figure out which side is truly evil.

One more thing: my friend just pointed out it could have been a Ukrainian fighter jet. Technically that's possible, but logically impossible. Where is the motive, especially when it's Ukrainian jets being shot down lately? A fighter jet in the sky would be able to identify a passenger plane, unlike stupid Russian separatists holed up in the ghettos of eastern Ukraine. And to say "Ukraine would knowingly shoot down a commercial aircraft" is nonsense.

Like you said, "any militia with SAM missiles can do it." What's the point in your argument?

Russian separatists have the capabilities to shoot down planes, but they don't have high-tech air-force radars. Whatever they see flying over "their skies" they just shoot down immediately. They've already taken responsibility for shooting down other planes. Did you ever think that maybe they shot this down by mistake and don't want to admit how stupid they are?

In other words, the plane just showed up as a red blip on their 1940s radar and thought and was a hostile. Normal people don't just shoot down a plane for the fun of it. To suggest Ukraine shot it down is saying they knowingly shot down a passenger plane to frame the separatists. I don't believe in killing innocent civilians to frame others. The separatists shot it down and you know that

And about this AIDS convention: if a cure was found, it wouldn't be kept a secret like that. There would have been some report even before the conference. It's just a convention in their continued mission to fight AIDS

Ukraine is a poor-equipped military, we don't know what kind of missiles they have. The militias can have things that Ukraine doesn't, especially when Russia is helping them. And even if Ukraine had these missiles, what are the means to use them? Why would Ukraine shoot down a plane headed to an AIDS convention?

Well there you go, you finally pointed the finger at someone other than Ukraine. I'll accept that view. I don't think we'll ever find out who really did it. There's a saying "it isn't what it is, it's what it looks like." And here's what it looks like. A passenger plane was flying over an area where people are fighting, and this plane was shot down. So someone in that area had to shoot it down. To say an external power was behind it isn't that bad, but this external power convinced either Russia or Ukraine to shoot it down, simply because it was shot down over Ukraine and not in China

Well the fact is that somebody shot down this plane over eastern Ukraine. From a bird's eye it looks like separatists shot it down, whether Russia consented it or not. Because let's not forget, other planes have been shot down, and Ukrainian military personnel have been killed. We don't know how much control Russia has over these rebels, but they are funding them that's for sure. Maybe it wasn't Russia, but it isn't outrageous to say rebels shot it down