كيري: لا بد أن تكون هناك عواقب لسوريا إن لم يتم تنفيذ المبادرة الروسية
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اعلن وزير الخارجية الاميركي جون كيري الخميس ان الولايات المتحدة وروسيا "مصممتان" على اجراء "محادثات مهمة" في جنيف حول وسائل توفير امن ترسانة الاسلحة الكيميائية السورية، ولن تكتفي واشنطن بتصريحات سوريا حول هذا الموضوع.
واشار كيري في بداية لقائه مع نظيره الروسي سيرغي لافروف الى ان "تصريحات النظام السوري غير كافية في نظرنا ولهذا السبب نحن هنا للعمل مع الروس وسيرغي لافروف للتاكد ان بالامكان تحقيق ذلك".
واضاف كيري ان "التوقعات كبيرة (...) الامر ليس لعبة وقلت ذلك لصديقي عندما بدانا الحديث. يجب ان يكون ذلك واقعيا، يجب ان يكون كاملا، يجب ان يكون قابلا للتحقق منه، يجب ان يكون ذا مصداقية"، مشيرا الى انه لا "يوجد شيء محضر مسبقا" في هذه العملية لان هذه الاسلحة الكيميائية استخدمت.
وقال كيري ايضا "نحن مصممون بقدر ما انتم مصممون على ان نبدا محادثات مهمة وذات مغزى حتى ولو ان عسكريينا يحافظون على مواقعهم الحالية لابقاء الضغط على نظام الاسد".
واضاف وزير الخارجية الاميركي "على الرغم من ان الامر صعب للغاية، فاننا نعتقد ان هناك وسيلة للقيام بذلك مع تعاون خبرائنا والتزام نظام الاسد فقط".
وذكر قبل البدء بهذه المحادثات التي ستتواصل الجمعة وعلى الارجح في نهاية الاسبوع، بان بين واشنطن وموسكو اختلافات كثيرة حيال الوضع في سوريا بما في ذلك حول المسؤولين عن الهجوم الكيميائي في 21 اب قرب دمشق.
لكنه اشار الى ان "حلا سلميا يبقى افضل من العمل العسكري"، على غرار ما "اعلن مرارا وتكرارا" الرئيس باراك اوباما.
وقال لافروف لكيري "انا على ثقة من ان شركاءنا الاميركيين يؤيدون طريقا سلميا لمراقبة الاسلحة الكيميائية في سوريا". واضاف "آمل اننا سننجح". فرد عليه كيري وهو يصافحه "تريد مني ان اثق بكل كلمة تقولها. ان الوقت مبكر جدا لذلك".
إلا أن كيري تابع "لا بد أن تكون هناك عواقب إن لم يتم تنفيذ المبادرة الروسية (..) إذا فشلت الجهود الدبلوماسية فالعمل العسكري ما زال مطروحا".
بدوره قال لافروف "ننطلق من مبدأ ان تسوية هذه المشكلة تجعل من غير المجدي توجيه اي ضربة ضد سوريا. نحن مقتنعون بان شركاءنا الاميركيين يفضلون بقوة حلا سلميا لهذه المشكلة".
وفي هذا الاطار "سنعمل للتوصل الى اتفاق مبدئي بهدف حل كل مشكلة الاسلحة الكيميائية في سوريا مرة واحدة عبر انضمام سوريا الى اتفاقية حظر الاسلحة الكيميائية ومنظمة حظر الاسلحة الكيميائية"، بحسب لافروف الذي شدد على ان العملية يجب "الا تطول".
من جهة اخرى، قال لافروف "نعتقد ان تطور الوضع يمنحنا فرصة جديدة لكي نحاول تنظيم مؤتمر جنيف 2، هذا هو هدفنا المشترك"، في اشارة الى الفكرة التي اقترحها في ايار مع كيري لعقد مؤتمر دولي في محاولة لبدء مفاوضات بين النظام السوري والمعارضة.
22:08 ,2013 أيلول 12
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As I have been saying on numerous occasions in the past days..... RU/US are in this together. It was planned in August.....
Nothing is coincidental......
It's a win-win for Obama and Putin As well as for Israel... Because Bashar's destitution has been put in motion. The rebels would be far more dangerous for the Hebrews than Bashar and father who gifted the Jewish state a huge chunk of land known as Golan heights.
23:23 ,2013 أيلول 12
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Not bad because this time he burried himself without anyone's help. His father's Baathist advisors are old crocodiles.... completely disconnected from the reality of the 21 century.....
It's a bye bye Bachar.
22:16 ,2013 أيلول 12
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Getting kinda bored of all these games of appeasement and whitewashing on both sides going nowhere and nowhere fast. Wake me up when September ends, maybe?
22:54 ,2013 أيلول 12
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"who engages in explicit homosexual acts to appease his lord Lucifer."
... what on earth? I agree with the warmongering, but this is just, well, absurd.
23:09 ,2013 أيلول 12
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Completely. The regime change is in motion. The upcoming one will have zero chemical weapons at its disposal... the geneva convention will be signed... the hebrews will be happy.... Palestine and Israel will get closer and we will be able to thank the Ruskies and Americans for this. Of course, the half million palestinians in Lebanon will remain..... where they are. One can feel that Israel is no longer a priority to the Arab World... economy is what matter. And as long as the lebanese jarheads (terroristas) don't focus on the country's economy, Lebanon will remain stagnant.... and we'll have M8 tontos whining on Naharnet Israel this, Israel that....
23:28 ,2013 أيلول 12
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There's a way to recover lost messages/webpages.... for personal use. but we r not gona help them! :)
00:29 ,2013 أيلول 13
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Thank you! Thank you! the US is governed by devil worshipers. That explains it all.
Obama has apparently 666 tattooed on his skull and Kerry is wearing a mask. In reality he comes from another dimension and he is actually a Klingon spy.
Oh yes. Hollande is part of a masochistic freemason brotherhood who likes to dress like little red riding hood while ordering attacks on Mali.
Thank you for the great insight! You add real value to our discussions.
00:33 ,2013 أيلول 13
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The only 2 humans left on the planet are Ali Khamanei and Bashar Assad. They are great strategist and will save the planet from the devil wears Obama and Merry Kerry.
Assad is gazing and blowing up all the critters and their progenies in Syria and Khamanei is in direct communication with the sky and is preparing an army of angels to fight the final apocalypse.
00:48 ,2013 أيلول 13
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Heyo, Klingon are good honorable people!
But seriously though, if you take freemasonry and such as seriously as it's portrayed then it's pretty worrying, though it's mostly just an knackered old-men's drinking club (and evading taxes ahemahem).
00:40 ,2013 أيلول 13
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Yes of course the great conspirators have taken over the earth and they are distributing coke and hasish to their followers. They are instructing them to delete your accounts and posts.
You are exposing us all.
Meanwhile, Assad the chosen one is doing the great cleansing on behalf of humanity and has already managed to kill 100,000 gremlins disguising themselves as Syrian men, women and children.
00:54 ,2013 أيلول 13
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Actually, I find this point in particular quite fascinating in that people don't usually put much thought into it.
Government troops make up some 50,000 of that figure. Opposition fighters make up 31,000 to 87000. So bystander/civilian death accounts for some 19,000 people if you take the lowest values for dead combatants and assume 100,000 people dead. Idk.
01:07 ,2013 أيلول 13
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The figures are accurate. I don't think anyone's saying he/his forces killed 100,000 people, though I think people's perseverate inclination in using the figure as a doing of Al-Assad is implied only indirectly, in that he was the reason of this war.
01:08 ,2013 أيلول 13
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/01/syria-death-toll_n_3851982.html
Here you go...40,000 civilians dead...Assad is fully responsible for this disaster. All he has to do is resign.
01:21 ,2013 أيلول 13
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Machia, I see, but you have to consider the way the SOHR assesses things; it's really muddy waters.
For one thing, civilians taking up arms are considered, well, not surprisingly, in the category of civilians. So 'civilian' deaths aren't made purely of unarmed bystanders/collateral damage as is the usual feel of it. So the number includes active Syrian fighters. The numbers also include foreign fighters and foreign 'civilians' which again I don't know why is projected on the Syrian civil war's body count instead of being considered in a separate category since they're not Syrian, and that includes thousands of people.
Not an Al-Assad apologist and far from it, but I value fairness and balance more than anything else regarding such things, and the SOHR doesn't quite fit the bill. This is my main problem with the SOHR; it's not objective, its sources are biased mostly, and whatever the rebels (and doctors et. al) say and in whatever way, is taken as fact.
01:26 ,2013 أيلول 13
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(at least during the first year, civilians that had taken up arms after the uprising started, as in, new recruits)
01:24 ,2013 أيلول 13
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Teshrine is the Assad regime's newspaper and novosti is the Russian news agency...you still have a lot to learn...happy giving you lessons
01:31 ,2013 أيلول 13
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Assad is responsible...he was the head of a totalitarian state. His bloody father gave him Syria and Lebanon on a silver platter and he managed to loose them. Moreover he is one of the greatest war criminals in the 21st century.
He is a daddy's boy from hell.
01:37 ,2013 أيلول 13
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this is how europeans see about Syria:
Un dictateur pourri supporte par une nation mafieuse essayent d'empecher une bande d'extremistes enrages de prendre leur place. Vu sous cet angle... le monde occidental n'a rien a faire dans cette petaudiere.
bonne nuit les petits
02:07 ,2013 أيلول 13
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How true is irrelevant endless. They've never been here... and they are usually racists (even those who vote socialism). There's truth in their POV, wars are ugly.... to win, you need to kill... which is incompatible with a modern society. Just compare the 'Revolution de Velours' in '89 with Syria.... or even the Romanian one which was bloody (around 1000 casualties).
Arabs are exactly 100 years behind. We are living what Europe experienced in the early 1900s when their monarchies collapsed one after the others -Portugal 1910, Russia 1917, Germany + Austria + Poland 1918... and many other smaller kingdoms were affected as well. Many survived but became protocolar monarchs.... literally stripped of their powers.
02:22 ,2013 أيلول 13
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How True? well, as they say, Vox Populi vox Dei. There's a mafia (to quote the one I copy/pasted) and they are holding onto their power/privileges (since 1963!) Sure it's going to get bloody and barbaric.... look at Russia, the first revolution in 1905... they were defeated by the Regime but they eventually prevailed 12 years later.
Look at the American Revolution. France and Russia (many ignore this) helped the Americans against the British ruler and again during the american civil war.... So, they did it two centuries ago. nothing comes for free, alliances must benefit both but I don't see why USA or Europe shouldn't help overthrow Bachar. Even if they don't, he'll fall, but it'll take longer. Rest assured, Gulf Monarchs will meet the same fate (or the fate of the surviving european monarchies) once their resources will no longer suffice to feed their citizens. For now, they are doing ok with the exception of Bahrain.
02:32 ,2013 أيلول 13
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So, from a moral point of view, les occidentaux, should help the FSA..... and even if the Nousra terrorists control some small cities, they'll get crushed by the people, because if I've learned something from my history classes, it's that nothing lasts forever!
yalla bonne nuit, it's past 1AM
01:43 ,2013 أيلول 13
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Now you're talking...anyone from the Syrian army. He will go to the table of negotiations and hopefully form a government with the secular opposition. They will have legitimacy and int'l support to fight the takfiris and end this civil war and head towards a freer Syria devoid of the Assad boys and their relatives.
04:00 ,2013 أيلول 13
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Russia and America both can stay the hell away from our blessed land.
