Fresh Protests as Rival Parties Hold Fruitless National Dialogue Session
إقرأ هذا الخبر بالعربيةLebanese protesters angry over a lack of basic services and festering garbage returned to the streets of Beirut on Wednesday and threw eggs at the convoys of officials arriving in parliament to attend a national dialogue that Speaker Nabih Berri chaired.
The protesters shouted "thieves!" and threw the eggs as the convoys of politicians drove by. Sparked by waste piling up in the capital and Mount Lebanon, a collection of protest movements demonstrated ahead of and during the dialogue and staged a mass rally at Martyrs Square in the afternoon.
Berri adjourned the session after around four hours, with TV networks describing the meeting as fruitless.
"They did not even bother to meet tomorrow or the day after, they postponed it for a week and came out without any decision," said Assaad Thebian, an organizer with the main group behind the protests, which calls itself "You Stink."
"They showed that they are indifferent and should not be in leadership positions," he told The Associated Press.
A terse official statement recited by the parliament's secretary-general said “the conferees explained their viewpoints on the current issues while focusing on the agenda's first item, which is the presidential vote and the steps needed to achieve it.”
“The next session has been set for Wednesday, September 16,” it added.
Meanwhile, MTV said the last 30 minutes of the session witnessed a heated debate that prompted Free Patriotic Movement leader MP Michel Aoun to “raise his voice in anger.”
According to LBCI television, Aoun clashed with head of al-Mustaqbal bloc ex-PM Fouad Saniora over the issue of “electing a strong president.” Telecom Minister Butros Harb joined the exchange of tirades later, LBCI said.
Future TV meanwhile said that “Aoun raised the issue of amending the Constitution to elect a president by a popular vote, drawing responses from Berri, Saniora and Harb.”
LBCI said the waste management file was also discussed during the session and that all parties were asked to facilitate the work of the cabinet during the emergency meeting that Prime Minister Tammam Salam scheduled for Wednesday afternoon.
During the session, Salam hoped that the dialogue would lead to a better future for the country and urged all parties to contribute to its success. He also told reporters at the parliament that he had called for an emergency cabinet session on Wednesday afternoon to discuss the waste crisis.
Berri had called for the dialogue conference among the main parties to discuss the stalemate that has frozen government institutions for months.
The conferees are supposed to discuss ways to end the vacuum at Baabda Palace, the resumption of the work of parliament and the cabinet, a new electoral draft-law, legislation allowing Lebanese expats to obtain the nationality, administrative decentralization and ways to support the army and the Internal Security Forces.
Berri said talks on the presidential deadlock are a priority.
“The mere occurrence of this dialogue reflects success, as we are all confirming our commitment to dialogue as the only way to overcome our crises, and our adherence to our country's unity and the coexistence formula,” Berri told the conferees at the beginning of the meeting.
“This meeting was necessary in order to rescue our country from the current state of paralysis, so that we don't later find our country in the dustbins of history,” added Berri.
He also warned that “the negativity emanating from the partisan and personal interests has started to pose a threat to Lebanon's existence.”
Authorities had beefed up security measures in downtown Beirut, erecting large metal barricades preventing access to the parliament where political figures held their meeting.
In the evening, thousands of protesters rallied at Martyrs Square in a central demonstration called for by all the main activist campaigns.
"Their dialogue is a conspiracy against us. They convened because they are afraid of us," said an official statement recited at the demo.
"We are not here to say 'No'. We came here to say 'Yes' to the State and 'No' to their state of corruption and distribution of shares," the campaigns added in their statement.
Recalling recent perceived achievements, the activists reminded: "We are the ones who forced the closure of the Naameh landfill, the annulment of the (waste management) tenders and the fall of the 'wall of shame.'"
"We gathered to stress our unity … Their dialogue is focused on the distribution of shares," the activists added.
"Enough with humiliation, corruption and sectarianism. We tell the corrupt political class that we have risen to restore our independence and build a democratic state that addresses people's concerns," they said.
The campaigns vowed to "demand accountability for all wrongdoers, because public right is not a farm."
Reiterating their demands, the activists added: "We call for finding an immediate, eco-friendly solution for the removal of garbage and releasing the funds of municipalities. We reject landfills, incinerators or dumping at sea and we support sorting at the source."
They called anew for the resignation of Environment Minister Mohammed al-Mashnouq and demanded the prosecution of Interior Minister Nouhad al-Mashnouq over recent police brutality against protesters. The activists also called for "the release of all detainees" held in connection with the recent protests.
"We call for parliamentary elections as soon as possible and we will continue the journey with every citizen who has hope in Lebanon," they added, calling on "all students and syndicates to unite and hammer nails into the coffin of the sectarian regime."
The protest movement of civil society groups began in mid-July as piles of garbage built up in Beirut and Mount Lebanon after the closure of Lebanon's largest landfill in Naameh.
But it has since grown to represent broader frustrations that cut across sectarian and partisan lines, including electricity and water shortages, and endemic corruption among the political elite.
Demonstrations in the capital grew from several dozen protesters to thousands, peaking when tens of thousands descended on Martyrs' Square on August 29.
Groups like "You Stink" and "We Want Accountability" are among a handful of civil society campaigns born out of the movement that have called for additional protests.

FT, @debbeh, @mowaten, @mutabal and I are the 5 most informative posters on naharnet by 5 country miles. No wonder our comments are always in the VIP section of the top rated comments. No wonder..

1 hour ago MTV: Protesters tossed eggs at the convoy of MP Michel Aoun.

hello humble
I am a friend of flamethrower, mowaten, and the_roar. I have no questions for you

This is worth the world to me ! hear the CLAOUN
https://www.facebook.com/bushra.itani/videos/891477914271587/

excellent video that shows aoun for what he really is: an opportunist with no principles.

that was back then .... as my dear friend flamethrower always says " Things change and situations evolve"..:))

Yes, I said all those things quarter of a century ago. But if wilayat el faqih can make me president I will retract my outdated statement immediately. But wilayat el faqih is not what it used to be. Now, it is modern, democratic, loves opera music and disco music, and is nuclear in its vision.

Ask his followers to see the video to learn how much the Caporal has been lying to them : ya cha3b lubnan al 3azeem!!!!
Barry, they should toss something brown and smelly on them, eggs are too good for these trashy politicians, all of them.
And you should see this as a measure of the sentiment of the people. people like Aoun and Hassan Nasrallah have come to believe that they are Gods and why? Because some of the people kept saying YEA, YEA to them, today this is no longer the case, now the people are saying it with eggs, a day will come when the people will retake their country back. Just a question of time.
Quand certains généraux, tard dans leur vieillesse,
Deviennent politiciens pour remplir leurs caisses,
Ils crachent leurs discours et, toujours en colère,
Cherchent à susciter la hargne populaire.
Leurs propos sont souvent très loin de la logique
Et sont parsemés de mots scatologiques.
Avec des cheveux teints, et piqués au BOTOX,
Ils se prêtent toujours au mensonge, à l’intox.
Ils s’adonnent au faux et à son usage,
Acceptent sans honte les pires copinages
Et pour obtenir ce qui ne leur est pas dû,
Ils le payent volontiers de leur honneur perdu.

sometimes I wonder if we live in the same country southern. What do you mean or what is your understanding of blocking the presidential elections? Do you mean the people that go to parliament and attend every scheduled session are the ones blocking the elections? Why did you single out Geagea? Do Berri, Aoun, and Nassrallah not receive money from Iran? Nassrallah admitted it in his speech. So, please try to be balanced and reasonable it would earn you some credibility.

They threw eggs at them and called them thieves. I'm so proud of these young men and women. They give the Lebanese hope that our country wont be turned into a bigger farm than our great "leaders" have already turned it into.

In dialogue, only Aoun can speak and you are not allowed to comment on what he says. He cannot be interrupted but he can interrupt everybody.It is one way dialogue. Here is how the dialogue session went:
"صوت لبنان - الأشرفية" : العماد عون اعتبر خلال جلسة الحوار أن المجلس النيابي لم يعد شرعياً ويجب تعديل الدستور لانتخاب الرئيس مباشرة من الشعب.
"صوت لبنان - الأشرفية": بعد عون تكلم حرب فقال: سمعت احدهم يقول ان المجلس غير شرعي فاذا كان غير شرعي كيف سيعدّل له الدستور لاجراء الانتخاب من الشعب.
"صوت لبنان - الأشرفية": عندها تدخل العماد عون وقال متوجها الى حرب: لا اقبل ان تعلق على كلامي وتابع الحديث بشكل منفعل.
"صوت لبنان- الأشرفية": عندها قال حرب لعون: وطي صوتك انا سمعتك ولم اقاطعك وكما سمعتك عليك ان تسمعني.
"صوت لبنان - الأشرفية": بري تدخل محاولا احتواء الاشكال بين عون وحرب ورفع الجلسة.

Now people understand why Samir Geagea did not attend this 7iwar. Useless

blah blah blah... Lebanese politics...each side claiming the other is corrupt!
There is no side more corrupt than the parties in power since 1992!
“FIRST THEY IGNORE YOU. THEN THEY LAUGH AT YOU. THEN THEY FIGHT YOU. THEN YOU WIN.” Gandhi

Lebanese version: "First they ignore you. Then they fight you. Then they laugh at you. Then they pretend to be on your side. Then you win."

What a bunch of losers!!! The people need to continue their protests until these bums are thrown out of politics forever.

11 minutes ago LBCI: Only Minister Bassil will boycott the cabinet session and Minister Bou Saab said his colleague's absence is a message of protest over the issue of the cabinet's work mechanism.
Bassil the reformist and advocate of renewable energy ;)

Haha ado. Yes all of a sudden they have all become saints, lets see what happens if this revolution works and they manage to audit these "saints"
These "bastrad" politicians, they still believe that they are valid when everyone is telling them, ER7AL, DEGAGES, Fekkoh, yalla !!
6:44 PM Beirut time, please open your TV sets and see the crowds, they are growing and will eat the FPM in one gulp. Enjoy what the people can do.

southern why the insults?!!! What gives you people the right to insult others?
Al Sha3b you Reed esqat al nezam, see how beautiful our youth are.

what nezam they want to esqat exactly? what do they want instead? a socialist up with people nezam? an islamic republic nezam? a marxist nezam? a monarchist nezam? a one party nezam? a military junta nezam? regardless of the rampant corruption the nezam we currently have is a parliamentary constitutional democracy and we al Sha3b should call for esla7 al nezam, rather than esqat al nezam! esqat al nezam will throw the country into an unknown that only the most powerful group on the ground will benefit from. in lebanon there's only one group with the military, popular, financial, organizational and logistical means to so. it's already a state within the state with a prepared plan to do so. is that really who Al Sha3b wants to take over? rationality should trump the idealistic foolish passion of the youth, else a civil war and i imagine someone with your experience should know they only bring destruction, heartaches, sorrows and sufferings and at the end no one wins.

P.B
"I'll check it out later. I don't usually.."
I believe the "usually" and "I'll check it out later" cancel out the "I don't watch Lebanese TV..". And Southern go ask your idiotic alias Portugal what "usually" mean, even he should know although you might make him spell it wrong!

i'm not sure if it's still the case but MTV and LBC's live streaming were blocked so no longer available at least not in Europe and North America as both station had exclusive agents there. Both can still be viewed live by using a secured VPN program or app that will cloak your IP address and replace it with one from Asia where both live streaming stations are still not blocked.
PS: If that's no longer the case the friends living in Europe and North America please advise.

@soouthern
The truth is: blaming all polititians is not fair, the bad and less bad
indeed many polititians do their best for the benefit of lebanon (here I name specifically Geagea because you mentioned him)
Some others don't care but about personal family benefits ( I specify Aoun and Bas-Seal)
Assuming Geagea receives fund from FSA or whatever but he is not stealing the treasury
Aoun and Bas-Seal receives from aboard and sucks to the extreme our treasury
Geagea was in prison because he refused to leave lebanon
Aoun left his soldiers officers and the whole population for his own safety (after he told the army we will fight until death or victory. When it was time to safety he forgot being a soldier he forgot being one citizen in command, he didn't mind being a coward).
Do not conclude I am making a preference for presidency because none of them deserves it. We have lots of others better educated, honest, clean hands, and without bad temper considering themselves as God)

“The mere occurrence of this dialogue reflects success, as we are all confirming our commitment to dialogue as the only way to overcome our crises, and our adherence to our country's unity and the coexistence formula,” Berri told the conferees at the beginning of the meeting.......
WOW setting high goals for Lebanon, Berri is one of a kind. He is Ali Baba AND the 40 thieves.

It was a meeting of feudal lords intent on preserving their prerogatives as Zayeem, Made Men. This is not a "dialogue" intent on a government or on a state. They have no concept of the idea of individual rights, liberties and freedoms, guaranteed and secured by a constitution and a government established by the people through self governance. Self government is a concept alien to the "conferees". They believe in the very opposite. That people are sheep, serfs and worse with no rights other than those deemed to be granted by the Zayeem. It was a Dialogue of Dinosaurs. Their day has come and gone. Time to storm the Serail!!